{"id":4,"date":"2008-02-14T10:18:43","date_gmt":"2008-02-13T23:18:43","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/45.120.150.61\/english.october.com.au\/?p=4"},"modified":"2008-02-14T10:23:45","modified_gmt":"2008-02-13T23:23:45","slug":"poor-aunty-and-her-singularplural-nouns","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/english.october.com.au\/?p=4","title":{"rendered":"Poor aunty and her singular\/plural nouns"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>It seems even the &#8216;bastion&#8217; of good english in this country can&#8217;t quite get it right.<\/p>\n<p>The Australian Broadcasting Corporation (the &#8216;aunty&#8217;) employs\u00a0many professional writers (including scores of journalists), and to ensure they all uphold the best traditions of the english language, the &#8216;aunty&#8217; also\u00a0has an internal Standing Committee on Spoken English&#8217;, affectionately and collectively called\u00a0SCOSE. Now generally, this body is a very valuable resource within the national broadcaster, and I will probably include a number of\u00a0excerpts from their reports in this blog in the future. But, alas, even SCOSE gets it wrong.<\/p>\n<p>In\u00a0one of their\u00a0recent bulletins to staff, SCOSE made the following comment:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u2018A group of agricultural experts believes there may be other options for farmers who might be considering leaving the land.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>This is another example of the same mistake. The head noun is <strong>experts <\/strong>(plural). So the verb should be plural <strong>believe<\/strong>, not singular <strong>believes<\/strong>.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Sorry aunty, that&#8217;s wrong. The word &#8216;group&#8217; modifies the noun &#8216;experts&#8217; so that the subject\u00a0becomes a singular &#8211; in this case, a group. The test for this sort of sentence is to remove the noun that is being modified. If the sentence were to read just &#8216;A group believes&#8230;&#8217; then we wouldn&#8217;t complain. But saying &#8216;A group believe &#8230;&#8217; as SCOSE suggests is wrong. Without the word &#8216;group&#8217; in there, SCOSE may be correct &#8211; in that case it would be &#8216;Experts believe&#8230;&#8217; which would be right. But now we&#8217;re talking about a singular &#8216;group&#8217;, not the plural &#8216;experts&#8217;.<\/p>\n<p>The original sentence is correct, and SCOSE is wrong. Unfortunately, this is an error SCOSE has repeated in a couple of their monthly bulletins.<\/p>\n<p>Another example of SCOSE&#8217;s occassional misjudgement\u00a0comes from a much earlier bulletin, and deals with the possessive form of proper nouns that end in the letter &#8216;s&#8217;. In one report, a journalist was berated for referring (as I recall) to &#8220;Ben Cousins&#8217; lawyer&#8221;. The journalist was told that they should have said (or written) &#8220;Ben Cousins&#8217;s lawyer&#8221;. Bzzzzt. Wrong. It has always been the case in English, that where a person&#8217;s name ends in an &#8216;s&#8217; (such as &#8216;Cousins&#8217;), then it is INCORRECT to add another &#8216;s&#8217; after the name when turning it into the possessive form. We might say &#8220;Ben&#8217;s lawyer&#8221; (because &#8216;Ben&#8217; does not end in an &#8216;s&#8217;, so we can add a possessive &#8216;s&#8217; to it),\u00a0but it is WRONG to say &#8220;Cousins&#8217;s lawyer&#8221;. Just listen to the buzzing sound it creates &#8211; CUZZ-enz-ez!!<\/p>\n<p>We never heard about &#8220;Jesus&#8217;s disciples&#8221;, it was always &#8220;Jesus&#8217; disciples&#8221;.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>When the name has an &#8216;s&#8217; on the end and we need to turn it into the possessive form, we DO NOT add an extra &#8216;s&#8217;, just an apostrophe<\/strong> &#8211; as the journalist originally and correctly\u00a0did when he\/she used &#8220;Ben Cousins&#8217; lawyer&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>Admittedly, there is still something of a grey area when the name ends in an &#8216;s&#8217; sound, but not necessarily in the letter &#8211; such as Louise, Prudence, or Maurice. Purists will argue that here, too, an extra &#8216;s&#8217; is incorrect (that it should be &#8220;Louise&#8217; book&#8221;, &#8220;Prudence&#8217; teacher&#8221; and &#8220;Maurice&#8217; lawyer&#8221;) , though support here seems to\u00a0have been\u00a0waning in recent years.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It seems even the &#8216;bastion&#8217; of good english in this country can&#8217;t quite get it right. The Australian Broadcasting Corporation (the &#8216;aunty&#8217;) employs\u00a0many professional writers (including scores of journalists), and to ensure they all uphold the best traditions of the english language, the &#8216;aunty&#8217; also\u00a0has an internal Standing Committee on Spoken English&#8217;, affectionately and collectively [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[8,9],"tags":[12,13],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/english.october.com.au\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/english.october.com.au\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/english.october.com.au\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/english.october.com.au\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/english.october.com.au\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=4"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/english.october.com.au\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":29,"href":"https:\/\/english.october.com.au\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4\/revisions\/29"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/english.october.com.au\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=4"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/english.october.com.au\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=4"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/english.october.com.au\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=4"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}